Ithika ([info]brokenhut) wrote,
@ 2007-05-05 14:20:00
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The horrible people who prefer cancer to vaccination

I’m getting really fed up and pissed off at these utterly heartless bastards who would sacrifice someone’s health for the sake of their own paranoid fantasies.

By the Daily Mail’s own admission in the article, HPV is responsible for 700 deaths from cervical cancer every year. But they “revealed”, in their best stoke-the-controversy fashion, that the NHS is paying for this treatment “at the cost to the taxpayer of £241 per course of treatment”. So little to prevent death from cancer, but too much for the Daily Mail and the absurd arguments of the “National Family Campaign” or “Family & Youth Concern”.

The argument that being vaccinated against a sexually-transmitted disease makes you leap into bed is so silly on the face of it that it’s difficult to comprehend the kind of person that could believe it. Every single statement made in that article makes me want to reach out and slap someone, hard.

“It could be seen as helping to promote or encourage sexual activity in girls before they are physically or mentally mature.” (Hugh McKinney, National Family Campaign)

There are two points here, neither of which follow from the facts. First, that being vaccinated promotes sexual activity. Strange that the MMR vaccine doesn’t promote teenage pregnancy — even though mumps is a cause of male sterility and rubella causes developmental defects during pregnancy. Second, that vaccine can make someone have sex before they are mature. The only thing that will prevent that is adequate sex education and fewer religious twats turning sex into a forbidden fruit.

“Why should we spend so much money on vaccines against diseases which are totally preventable in other ways? We should be discouraging young people from having intercourse at an even younger age rather than promoting it.” (Dr Trevor Stammers, Family & Youth Concern)

The “other ways” hinted at here are not listed. I can only guess he means that great placebo panacea, abstinence. Of course, abstinence doesn’t prevent HPV transmission, unless what Dr Stammers really advocates is lifelong celibacy. If no-one had sex until the age of twenty five, then it would take longer before infected people spread the virus — but it would spread. There is no magical cut-off point of maturity past which HPV is no longer a threat.

Family & Youth Concern’s statement is completely irrelevant. They’re only there to issue their default opinion — promoting moral panic about the “permissive society” — which happens to align quite nicely with that of the Daily Mail.

Thankfully the commenters on the article are pretty much on the ball (for a change). There is one nutcase who seems to think that Nu Labour (sic) are doing this to “breed” the next generation of voters (!). Even amongst Daily Mail readers that’s a minority opinion. Bookdrunk also has more and some interesting links to previous HPV and sex education stories.

What do you think — are these anti-HPV campaigners seriously deluded or simply scum?




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[info]h2_the_foodie
2007-05-05 02:43 pm UTC (link)
i'm surprised no one else has mentioned rubella until now (or i've not noticed!). I distinctly recall being given a rubella booster at school which you DID NOT GET because as a young lady who would potentially be pregnant some time in the future, it was important to ensure that my immunity to rubella was tip top to protect future unborn children. Nobody suggested that by doing so I was being encouraged to sprog early, because now my baby wouldn't be affected by rubella infection in me.

Maybe the subtle difference is that rubella is something you can catch as a nice well behaved mother to be, who has had sex only-at-the-age-of-thirty-with-your-husband-and-only-once-please. You catch it off the man in the street, and not because he gave you the eye. On the other hand, HPV is a dirty dirty virus, caught by having dirty dirty sex with dirty dirty people. Lots. Obviously people who get HPV *deserve* to get it.

(with an appropriate nod to BD and the deadly deadly homos, of course.)

Never mind the fact that it might be that your beautiful virgin daughter catches HPS on her wedding night when she has sex once withe her new husband to extend the dynasty. Ooops, you didn't realise that the strapping young man you allowed to take her hand in marriage had put it about a bit in uni? Or slept with one other person in his life, who had, in fact, also only slept with one other person, who'd in turn only slept with one other person, but well, turns out that s/he'd been a bit of a tart?

I mean COME ON! We only have to look at HIV statistics in this country to see that normal people with even conservtively socially acceptable sexual behaviours get infected. Any protection available to us ought to be pounced apon.


And hasn't anyone told the Daily Hate how much taxpayers money is spent each year on treatment and ultimately palliative care for cervical (and other HPV caused) cancers? £241 per person? Pay for that by increasing the tax on fags by half a percent, I'd dare say.

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[info]h2_the_foodie
2007-05-05 02:52 pm UTC (link)
sorry. just noticed that my bit about you not getting a rubella vaccine makes it sound like i'm in some way criticising you. for like, not getting the vaccine, you irresponsible cretin. Which of course i"m not. You didn't get it because you're a BOYE!!! And won't be getting pregnant any time soon.

Of course there's still an argument for rubella booster vaccination in males (Particularly in this post-wakefield era, to use a horrendous phrase) becuase it increases the herd immunity which means that rubella infections don't spread through communities and in turn the likelihood of a susceptible* pregnant woman meeting a rubella case is far lesser.

(*perhaps the vaccine didn't take, which it doesn't always; perhaps she was allergic to one of the ingredients in the suspension for the vaccine, perhaps her parents were crazy anti-vaccers who didn't get her vacinated, which hey, would hardly be her fault and doesn't mean we actually want her child to be damaged. perhaps she was just off school the day the booster was administered and she lives in a region where the follow up is pants. perhaps she lives in a country where you have to pay for vaccinations yourself and she can't afford it. )

herd immunity is good. vaccinate early, cover everyone.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-09 09:38 am UTC (link)
Hugh McKinney of the "National Family Campaign" seems to be trotted out whenever a backward opinion is needed. He used to be Hugh McKinney of the "Conservative Family Campaign", as seen here, where he's spouting off some pretty offensive views. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/406236.stm)

I can't find any evidence that the "National Family Campaign" exists outside of McKinney - no homepage, no other spokespeople. He's like some kind of neo-con Alan Smithee.

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